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This has been a long running debate among some friends of mine....
This has been a long running debate among some friends of mine....
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Fri, January 16, 2004 - 11:35 AMHi Mark--
Could you give us a little more information on this topic? I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for.
Thanks!
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Fri, January 16, 2004 - 1:00 PMFair enough...
My last post was rather terse and enigmatic.
Here is the debate: Very Unique.
School #1 (From my friend Alan):
Nothing can be very unique. Unique is unto itself...something is either unto itself or not, therefore it can't be very unique. The "very" doesn't add anything.
School #2:
Something can be compared in any number of qualitative and quantiative dimensions. "Very unique" has meaning in that a particular item compared to another may have many more differing features, thus would stand out more. So while both of the items may be unique, or unto themselves at a certain level, the one having fewer features in common with the other(s) would be very unique.
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Fri, January 16, 2004 - 2:43 PMi'd lean towards school #2, expecially with a word like "unique" that is so overused in our language, it almost begs for extra modifiers. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Fri, January 16, 2004 - 6:37 PMI'm with Deia on this one. Over/misuse spoils the precision of many words. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Tue, May 11, 2004 - 1:16 PMRedundant redundant, repetitive too, also. :) -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Fri, May 14, 2004 - 10:19 AMUniquely redundant?
Redundantly unique? -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sun, May 16, 2004 - 4:27 PMYeah, I've got to vote with the purists on this one. To allow for the distinction of being **very** absolutely and utterly unlike anything else, as opposed to only **sort of** absolutely and utterly unlike anything else is just, well, wrong. It dilutes the meaning of unique down to something along the lines of "impressive" or "imposing," and we already have words to express those ideas. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Wed, May 26, 2004 - 9:55 PMexample, please.
i'm trying to think of things that are absolutely and utterly unlike anything else. to me, *everything* is like something else in some way, when one boils down qualities (it's red, it has sides, it's played in g minor).
maybe i'm having an obtuse moment, but my point of differentiation would be in something's rate of occurrence, as opposed to its actual qualities. right? no? you see the sky every day. you might only see that cloud formation or alignment of planets visible to the eye on rare occasion. or white athletic sox, three to a pack at [insert store here], versus the black latex stockings with the silver spiked toes. if you took each of those items and made a list of what they were like and not like, would one be longer than the other? what strikes me or turns my eye is the thing that you don't see every day.
i personally am not in favor of 'very' unique, or 'very' used as a modifier of most things. i think we use 'very' when we overuse something else, to make the thing that is 'very' that much more so. and i'm not so down with that.
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Wed, May 26, 2004 - 9:58 PMi think i *am* having an obtuse moment, since rereading anathema device's post i see that we are in agreement on the 'very' piece.
but i'm still sort of chewing on the fact that something may be unique in some ways, and not in others, and wondering what makes something unique. rate of occurrence feels more like 'rare' than 'unique' to me. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sat, May 29, 2004 - 9:55 AMslight tangent...forgive me but I had to share:
say this ten times fast:
You know New York
You need New York
You know you need UNIQUE New York.
(try saying it without reading it)
I would agree that something is either unique or it is not, but the usage has become distorted and it has come to mean something more like unusual as opposed to "one of a kind". Of course something cannot be "very one of a kind".
And very is a very horrible word that adds very little to the meaning of anything. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sat, May 29, 2004 - 12:00 PMyes. Making excuses for "very unique" is sorta taking political correctness into the realm of the dictionary. Language and meanings change...and that's ok (I guess)...but this one SHOULD NOT. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sat, May 29, 2004 - 12:23 PMYes Dar, but that is why I love this question. Who determines when and how the languages changes? (Since there is no "authority" per se.) There are conventions, some of which are more accepted than others...
Should we control the language more centrally like the French do? -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sat, May 29, 2004 - 1:08 PMFunny you should ask. No, controlling the French way won't work...just setting a good example should do. -
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sat, May 29, 2004 - 3:42 PMAll in our own way? Like William Safire or 50 Cent?
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Wed, November 24, 2004 - 10:20 AMYep, dilution of meaning to the point of _changing_ the meaning.
Similar case with "special". The word is so hopelessly overused, that it no longer means ANYTHING (in my opinion.)
or, to put it in designer-speak: "special is the new ordinary"
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Re: Redundant?: Very Unique
Sun, July 4, 2004 - 8:33 AMYou've been watching too many West Wing reruns.