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I got into a grammar discussion at a bar. Actually, I do that quite often!
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Re: Last night...
Mon, November 10, 2003 - 2:46 PMHey there,
Last night at a party we got into a deep discussion about the english language and how its evolution both angers traditionalists and pleases non-traditionalists. We also discussed how english is a conglomeration of all other languages...with some french, some spanish etc etc... what do you think? -
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Mon, December 8, 2003 - 8:06 PMEnglish is one of those hybrid languages...or maybe THE hybrid language. We're constantly stealing words from other languages; that how we solve the problem of "oh damn, we don't yet have a word for that!". But here's what I'm wondering: is it true that English has more different words than any other language? If so, how many of 'em did we just steal from other languages? -
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Tue, December 23, 2003 - 10:44 PMThat's what gives english its 'je ne sais quois' of definition where it begins and ends. =) From my experiences of learning Hungarian and Polish it looks that the rest of the world is assimilating english words into their own language structure. Hungarian examples: garage = garazs, jungle = dzsangel (said roughly the same as in english). We [Americans] adapt foreign phrases, mostly in small social circles, to appear more affluent and traveled but the rest of the world is looking to relate more to us [Americans] on a linguistic level. As for how many did we steal? Growing every day through popular social circles, some perpetuated by television. As the world community communications increase, evident by The Return of the King's unprecedent simultaneously release in 28 countries, more cross-culturing is bound to happen.
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Wed, December 24, 2003 - 10:31 AMEnglish is definitely not "THE hybrid language" - most languages have developed some creole elements due to language contact - it definitely happened much more quickly and radically than some other creoles, however. The Norman Invasion brought Norman French into direct political contact with Anglo Saxon, which at the time was much closer to its Germanic roots than English is today. French then became the only language used for legal writing, marketing, etc. and so no real documentation exists of the changes which occurred in the development of "English" between 1066 and around the time of Chaucer.
Wait - this wasn't your question. You wanted to know if English has more words than other languages? Absolutely not. But it does tend to borrow words rather than retranslate or readapt morphologically, which makes us seem like linguistic thieves, at times.
I could ramble about this shit for hours, so just tell me when to shut up. -
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Re: Last night...
Wed, January 7, 2004 - 3:19 PMcan it, bay.
hmm. what is the origin of that expression.....
nevermind! i'll look it up myself!
;)
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Re: Last night...
Sat, January 10, 2004 - 7:53 PM...it happens all the time.
I've been called 'Grammar Nazi,' 'The Grammar Police,' etc.
I blame Dr. Burke, composition instructor at SF's Lick-Wilmerding High School (I know, I know ;)). The first week we had a test of grammatical 'minimal decencies,' featuring the correct usage of :
'lie' & 'lay'
'it's' and 'its'
'theirs and there's'
and many others...
One wrong answer, F! And Insta-F if we used the word 'nice' in an essay... [chuckle]
Great teacher!
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Sat, January 31, 2004 - 9:59 PMI too find myself correcting others' bad grammar in not so appropriate places and contexts. This happens to me frequently enough for me to consider it an aspect of me needing improvement.
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